Feb. 19th, 2009
Apple - new MacBook Pro (y/n)?  
My MacBook is starting to drive me crazy. It's sluggish... like a wet sponge when i do srs bsns (parallels is PAINFUL to use). Of course, I could reload the OS and all my applications and all my data and probably improve things a tit.

But... I also hate, hate, hate, hate the screen resolution on the MacBook. I don't have enough room for all my things! It's painfully noticeable when I go to my ThinkPad with its wondermous 1600x1200 screen resolution. So if I'm hating on it anyway, why waste time and effort reloading it if I might be happier replacing and selling it?

Of course, I know the moment I buy a MacBook Pro, knowing Apple's marketing prowess, they'll release one with a battery powered by baby seal tears that lasts 2 days, like a mere month after I get a new one.

Anywho... I don't follow all the Mac forums and whatnot, so I dunno if it's a good idea to get one now or wait (plus everyone is so enamored by everything Apple, it's hard to find objective info sometimes).

I'm also interested in what you guys think about the 2.53 gHz model v. the 2.4. It's a ridonkulous $500 more, so I'm leaning heavily towards 2.4 considering how expensive Apple notebooks are to begin with.

Seems like double the cache,double RAM, and 7200 rpm drive might be the only things worth anything. I know a CPU increase of .13 is going to be hardly noticeable, if noticeable at all. Are those 3 things worth $500? I'm perfectly comfortable replacing the RAM myself if it really needs 4 gb, but I'm thinking 2 will suffice for a while. There are a lot of forum discussions about this topic, but it largely seems to be people trying to justify their own purchase decisions rather than objective info, so kind of looking for some real world advice from power users.

Any thoughts from my crazy Maciphile friends?

I have 4 hours and 5 minutes to decide in order to have Amazon have it to me tomorrow! XD

[edit: based on all the info, I pulled the trigger on the 2.4. she gets here tomorrow!]

Mood: contemplative
Listening to: Pendulum - Propane Nightmares
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kyleholl on February 19th, 2009 - 06:27 pm
I'd say it all depends on what you're going to use it for... if you're heavy in to games, graphics, what-have-you... spend the extra cash for more power. If you're just using it for the internet and email, save the money and buy a Coach case :)

Then again, when I had my notebook debate last year, I opted to stick with a Windows machine since it was going to purely be a traveling internet machine for me. $500 for the one that I got vs. $2000 for the MacBook Pro I was looking at. The packaging just wasn't pretty enough for $1500 extra.
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jay dee 8chjdhorner on February 19th, 2009 - 07:16 pm
go pro, because you won't regret the real graphics card...

(dual graphics cards, now, with an option to choose which for graphics vs. batter life)

...and the screen resolution that comes with the larger size.

whatever you do (DEAR GOD please listen) do NOT buy apple ram. of all the things they overprice, the ram is the most overpriced. seriously. REDUCE the ram it ships with if you can, and buy it elsewhere. (crucial.com has a great mac "configurator")

i love the macbook pros, and yes, even though you can get a same-spec'd model for -slightly- less (not WAY less as people would lead you to believe), i think the extra price is worth it for the build quality, operating system (and underlying OS awesomeness), and overall 'feel' of the thing.

also, btw, with the apple notebooks: it's usually a great idea to buy the applecare for the 3-year kick ass policy. i mean, basically, you could throw it off a building, take it in, and say "i don't know. it doesn't work anymore" and wave your applecare number, and men in black suits show up with your new machine. (ok ok. exaggeration, but applecare is SO worth it, especially when you get free replacement batteries when they stop working well)

blah blah blah.

go 2.4, you won't notice the difference between that and 2.5 anyway, and get ram elsewhere. otherwise, get it!
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jay dee 8chjdhorner on February 19th, 2009 - 07:20 pm
what are the specs on your current mb? i'd love to hear 'em. i might be interested in buying it!
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 19th, 2009 - 07:27 pm
It's the black macbook Nov 2007. I'll need to look at the CPU speed when I get home, but it's the Core 2 Duo model with glossy screen, 160gb hard drive. I replaced the RAM that came with it though (up to 2gb).

still running tiger just 'cuz I was too lazy to deal with upgrade problems, but i'll for sure install leopard when i wipe the hard drive.
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Davidfriendofjack on February 19th, 2009 - 07:20 pm
I bought 4gb of RAM from Crucial for my MacBook Pro. It took 5 min to install it.
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danthmanes on February 19th, 2009 - 08:01 pm
If you run Parallels, I can't imagine not wanting 4GB. Even on my non-Vista-running Thinkpad, 4GB makes a big difference.
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Davidthisisdavid on February 20th, 2009 - 03:24 am
Me got 4. I upgraded here while in TW.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 19th, 2009 - 11:43 pm
yeah, i'm not afraid to take them apart. I built most of my desktops. :-P
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danthmanes on February 19th, 2009 - 07:59 pm
I have the 1600x1200 screen on my Thinkpad too. It rocks, and I've never seen anything comparable. Last I checked, Lenovo had stopped selling that size too. They've gone over to wide screens now that run 1680 x 1050, which, if you do the math, is less pixels, and the widescreen models are wider than mine without being shorter. Net fail.

I can't say much about the Macs, but I know when I was shopping for a laptop a couple years ago, I was surprised by how light the MacBook Pro was. I think that's part of the reason for the price premium (lots of titanium and stuff), but I've come to realize that weight is not much of an issue if you use a backpack to carry it around. Bulk is an issue, though, especially on airplanes.

Sorry, I realize now that I've spewed all this drivel that it probably doesn't address your question at all :-P
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 19th, 2009 - 11:44 pm
I still have a lot of love for my T43p. I really, really, really need to get some extra RAM for it to up it to at least 2gb and reload the OS.

It's a zippy machine, and the screen resolution is so awesome that if I have major spreadsheet work to do for work at home, I just pull that out.
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danthmanes on February 19th, 2009 - 11:46 pm
My computer is dying for a reformat. So hard to find the time, though, and be without a machine while the process is underway.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 19th, 2009 - 11:50 pm
i know the feeling. I usually end up buying a new hard drive when I do it (since it's usually time for a larger one then anyway).

that way, if I need to do something before I've had a chance to get everything up and ready, I can swap the new HD with the old and boot that to work.
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danthmanes on February 20th, 2009 - 12:02 am
Oo, I like that idea :) The HD that came with my Thinkpad is only 100GB, so it could definitely use an upgrade. Next dilemma: stay with XP, upgrade to Vista (not likely), or wait for 7.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 20th, 2009 - 12:11 am
i know. i hate to do it for XP.

something tells me most of the drivers for the ThinkPad won't be anywhere near ready when 7 is released. :/
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james__sndchasr on February 20th, 2009 - 02:45 am
I do that too. I buy a new HD when I do a reinstall, then put the old one in a box in case i need to pop it back in.

I'm gonna regret asking this because i don't need to spend any money hah but what are you planning to sell your old macbook for?
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hUcKiE: Lightbulbhuckie on February 19th, 2009 - 08:33 pm
I love my 15" MBP, though it's the older style. But the 15" is the right compromise between a decent screen size and portability. The difference between models really comes down to graphics card. Upgrading the hard drive and ram (not from apple) are going to come in way under the $500 premium being charged for the more expensive model.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 20th, 2009 - 12:25 am
i did the ram upgrade on my macbook that way (and sold the ram that came with it on ebay). May do the same thing (or see if it's compat with my ThinkPad).

I began to think about the 2.53 in terms of the way we market products. Upsells/upgrades like this usually == higher profit margins, so following that logic, I'm guessing the 2.53 is less of a bargain overall.
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Ed Rodriguez -=shiroi tora (白い虎)=-emarosan on February 19th, 2009 - 09:07 pm
I'm going to ditto a lot of what has been said:

1. The 2.4 is fine.

2. Buy 4GB of RAM from a third party and install it. It's ridiculously cheap and more RAM = faster everything. It's a no brainer.

3. The MacBook Pro is mid-way through it's product cycle, so there won't be an update for at least 2-3 months at the earliest.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on February 20th, 2009 - 12:23 am
gah. if they refresh it in 2-3 months after I bought it, i will hunt steve jobs down and... and... well, i don't know what i'd do, but i'd not say nice things about him!
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Ed Rodriguez -=shiroi tora (白い虎)=-emarosan on February 20th, 2009 - 12:47 am
Well, 2-3 months from now would be the average product cycle for the MacBook Pros, so it's pretty sure that there will be a refresh.

You can always check the MacRumor's buyer's guide for information on avg. product cycles and when to expect an update:

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Boback2life on February 20th, 2009 - 12:29 am
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Davidthisisdavid on February 20th, 2009 - 03:22 am
Erase all the porn.
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james__sndchasr on February 20th, 2009 - 04:30 am
Have you played around with VMware Fusion any? Just wondered how it compared to Parallels.
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baltpup25: hatbaltpup25 on February 20th, 2009 - 06:26 am
lol, baby seal tears. Just one of the reasons why I enjoy reading your posts.

I was hoping to actually ping *you* for advice, actually. I have an 03ish Dell laptop (can't remember specs & I'm away from home) It's amazingly slow to do anything now and runs out of memory all the time. So, I'm thinking about getting a desktop -- but definitely not a Dell.

I'm not super-smart like you, so all I do is writing, Internet, iTunes (probably too many music files), and PhotoShop. I'm even thinking of converting from PC to Mac despite the learning curve.

If you have time, whatcha think?


(I'll owe you some In 'n Out? Some White Castle? A lobstah??). :)
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