Dec. 19th, 2007
Land is for the living!  
I advocate bulldozing that huge Veterans cemetery that's been wasting up totally prime real estate in Westwood for development of more apartments, student housing, and parking, and suddenly I'm the bad guy.

You humans are just silly. I really hope I'm the 5th Cylon.

Mood: hyper
Listening to: Bright Eyes - Let's Not Shit Ourselves
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dirigiblesdirigibles on December 19th, 2007 - 11:11 pm
I agree, cemeteries are a waste of space. And dead bodies are nothing more than rotted meat. I really don't understand society's reverence for dead corpses.

I've already told my partner and family that when I die, dispose of my body in the cheapest manner available. If they can find a necrophiliac that'll buy it off them, go for it. I'll be dead; I won't give a crap.

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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on December 19th, 2007 - 11:41 pm
iawtc 100%
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(no subject) - (Anonymous) on December 19th, 2007 - 11:13 pm
Bobby: teh geyshouldvesmiled on December 20th, 2007 - 01:55 am
There is peace and serenity in the light, so STFU :=D
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Jean-Baptistexorn on December 19th, 2007 - 11:34 pm
After me, you're 6th.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on December 19th, 2007 - 11:38 pm
there is only one model that is still unknown, and it better be me!
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dirigibles: Battlestar Galacticadirigibles on December 19th, 2007 - 11:48 pm
I'm hoping it's Lorne Greene.
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(no subject) - (Anonymous) on December 20th, 2007 - 01:32 am
The People's Exhibit Adavidology on December 20th, 2007 - 01:36 am
fertilizer. nature intended. circle of life and all.
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Milambermilamberrex on December 20th, 2007 - 01:40 am
soylent green is people.
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james__sndchasr on December 20th, 2007 - 01:34 am
Maybe they can charge them rent. I mean dead people can vote. Look at the 2000 and 2004 elections!
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Bobby: go to your happy placeshouldvesmiled on December 20th, 2007 - 01:56 am
Wow. Somebody's gonna make sure they keep hell hot for you, you America-hating homoqueer!
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Brad: Basestarbradzoid on December 20th, 2007 - 02:04 am
By your command.
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Markmahka42 on December 20th, 2007 - 05:07 am
That cemetery IS huge...and a little creepy when walking back tipsy/drunk. the same time, it's a veteran's cemetery and was there well before everything else came in. So...i dunno. Of course, if they took it out, the apartments wouldn't be any cheaper.

Either way, when I go, I'd like to be cremated and scattered into the Pacific off of the Golden Gate. Actually, maybe not even cremated...doesn't leave much in terms of nutrients. And only when the tide's going out so I don't get stuck in the Bay.
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kizoza on January 11th, 2008 - 02:08 am
Im not going to agree or disagree either way on this one...BUT...for your consideration:

- Los Angeles National Cemetery is 114 acres - 4,965,840 square feet.

- Let's assume a square block of 2228 feet by 2228 feet (I realize this isn't true, but just for conversation sake).

- A Manhattan city block is 800' deep x 240' wide. (I couldn't come up with an LA city block size but I know what a Manhattan city block size is - don't ask).

- Just in putting the square footage of a city block into the square footage available, you get 25 city blocks. Let's take 3/4 of that to account for streets, sidewalks etc. 19 city blocks.

- Further assumption of an apartment complex being about 100' x 34' (accounting for setbacks etc) that comes out to approximately 46 apartment complexes per city block.

- In LA, 2 floor apartment buildings with parking underneath seem to be the norm - let's assume that.

- Using 100' x 34' you could reasonably expect to fit 3 apartments per floor; assuming 2 floors per complex, that's 6 apartments per complex.

- 6 apartments by 46 complexes per block comes out to 276 apartments per city block.

- 276 apartments per block by 19 blocks in the space. 5244 total apartments

- Assume 2 people per apartment; 10488 people. Further assume only 75% have their own car. 7855 cars.

So now. Let's put this in perspective. Between Wilshire and Levering; and between Sepulveda and Veteran. Next to UCLA. That's 10,4888 additional people and 7855 additional cars.
In *Westwood*.

Setting the politics of taking down a national cemetary aside, the math of additional people and cars in that area is horrifying.



PS: This was more an exercise of seeing if a couple of the architects here at work and I could ballpark this out. I can't be held responsible for the accuracy of some of the data above but eyeballing it, it looks about right :D
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on January 11th, 2008 - 02:11 am
good points, but OTOH, if it were mostly students, wouldn't you remove many of those cars from the road trying to get to UCLA (and alleviate a bit of the parking problem they have)?

Of course... that's if it's student housing, which arguably, perhaps a large chunk of it could be dedicated for. maybe?

I'm by far not an expert on this. I just hate seeing all that wasted land for corpses when I know so many students are dying for a place to live closer to campus.
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kizoza on January 11th, 2008 - 02:23 am
Fair enough - the math is still pretty bad though. Students are poor. Typical student housing is 4 people per room.

- Assume 80% of the apartments are at 4 people per apartment. That gives you a population of 16780 in quad-occupied apartments and 2098 in double occupied apartments.
- 18,878 people in that same area.

As for the cars...yeah, you're probably right but I think the dramatic increase in population offsets that if not even moreso (as in too many people). Remember you now need to have services for all those people (restaurants, entertainment, open spaces etc)

I do see your point amidst all this. I just think it's a very fine line in making this argument. I've thought about what you're mentioning myself when I was going to UCLA and I could, to a degree, see why it's never been done.

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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on January 11th, 2008 - 02:29 am
yeah, i can't admit to thinking more about it more than "damn what a waste of land for rotting corpses." In fact, I've probably been more serious about this in my comments than my original post was intended to be. :-P
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