Nov. 4th, 2004
Cover of British tabloid The Daily Mirror, 11/4/2004  
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Prince Mikeprincemike on November 4th, 2004 - 01:44 am
LOL. I love you. =)
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mark or markymarkormarky on November 4th, 2004 - 09:11 am
how can so many be so dumb?

watch now for lots of tongue-clicking. just like tom friedman, the nytimes columnist, who's spent the past year endorsing and fully supporting the insane war in iraq. NOW mr friedman clicks his tongue and shakes his head, My my who'd 'a thunk such a mess could be made?

IDIOT. lots of people who voted for mr bush will be doing exactly the same thing - VERY VERY SOON.

i am still SO mad :-/
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Melspaz_ums on November 4th, 2004 - 10:33 am
i love these pictures.
i can't believe he's president again!
my mother voted for him and i yelled at her because she doesn't like the gay marriage thing either.
oh well...he vote didn't matter because our state is STRONG KERRY.
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ex_prezrober685 on November 4th, 2004 - 02:36 pm
Eventually, you'll get over it...

I hope.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on November 4th, 2004 - 02:40 pm
Daily Mirror called it.

Truth hurts.

Bush was not elected by the educated masses. His campaign shrewdly appealed to the lowest common denominator.

Get over it? He declared war on the gay community in his campaign. Did you ignore the mailers the GOP send out? Forget about the FMA? The rest of the community is outraged at those tactics. Where's your outrage at that? How do you just ignore that? Please, tell the rest of us. Because I, for one, am really fucking curious.
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ex_prezrober685 on November 4th, 2004 - 09:32 pm
I think it's stupid for you to think your side was any more educated. I really do. Because they are a reflection of the other half insofar as intelligence is concerned.

Just because they don't agree with you - doesn't mean they're uneducated.

And you're outraged that the GOP doesn't like the fact you're gay? Wow. That's incredible... how dare they think the way they do. Let's lock them up.

I don't care what they think and neither should you, as for their tactics, hello - you had Michael Moore and couldn't shut up about Honorable Service in the National Guard.

Please don't talk about tactics, because we've all got stuff to be ashamed of.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on November 4th, 2004 - 09:45 pm
I won't say there aren't smart people who voted for Bush. There were. You're one of them. Although for the life of me I cannot understand it. Truly cannot.

But because you're not stupid, you know damn well that they appealed to the lowest common denominator in this election. They did not appeal to the educated masses... that wasn't who their target was.

Their tactics were disgusting, and their tactics attacked ME, Robert. You remember that flier. You saw it. How can you say you don't care?! Jesus Christ man. But don't you dare come here and tell me not to be pissed off at them for doing it. They're scum. Frankly, I cannot understand for one second how you supported them. You KNOW the fundies controlling your party don't want you there. Yet you support them. I can't make the GOP or those religious morons like gay people. They're bigots, and they're no better than KKK members. Going to church on sundays doesn't make them any less bigots. But I'll be damned if I'm going to let them pass legislation that seeks to make me a second class citizen in my own state and home.

I will be damned if I am going to sit here and let them tell me what I can and cannot do in my own state. Fuck them. If they don't want to see Janet's boob on TV, change the fucking channel. But they'd better damned well not come to MY state and tell me how to live my life. I will love, marry, and fuck whomever I want as often as I want.

But their own admission, this is a cultural war. A war the fundamentalists are fighting through the GOP. That war includes us, and we are their #1 target.
I understand being conservative, but I do not for the life of me understand understand being gay and supporting him after that campaign he ran.
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ex_prezrober685 on November 4th, 2004 - 09:59 pm
No one appeals to educated masses, they appeal to voters.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be pissed, but don't get holy and pretend you didn't attack back just as hard. I can link you back to LJ entries if you need proof.

"I can't make the GOP or those religious morons like gay people."

Watch me.

"But their own admission, this is a cultural war. A war the fundamentalists are fighting through the GOP. That war includes us, and we are their #1 target."

Religion is your #1 target, isn't it? It's equal warfare is all I'm saying. That doesn't justify it, but I don't like the "surprise" in your voice.

I support him being gay, because I see the big picture of a Democracy in Iraq, I see how tax cuts help after a terrorist attack to get people spending and building the economy, I can see how private education vouchers are better than public, I can see how being gay and getting civil rights will take time - or else we lose everything.

Civil Unions is what we should be fighting for. The religious Right hates those with a passion because they have the effect of marriage law, and in time, they would become gay marriage by name as well. You guys went too far in calling them fundies and stupid red necks. You pissed off the people with the power to give you want you want. They didn't like you before, but they didn't care. Now they care.

We need to take a step back or risk losing it all, like we did in 11 states yesterday.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on November 4th, 2004 - 10:23 pm
My blog reaches a dozen people—if I'm lucky. Those fliers reached I don't know how many homes. Bush saying that homosexuality is such a threat that we needed to amend the constitution reached the whole nation.

I attack religion, hard. I don't deny that. I don't like it. I hate organized religion for my own personal reasons, some of which I've written about. I mock it mercilessly, for those same personal reasons. I'm angry at what it taught me. That's a product of Catholocism, which I think is borderline child abuse. I'm acting out on that. I also personally don't believe in much of them. I think they hurt a lot of people. I also think it's superstitious silliness. But that's me and this is just my tiny, little corner of the web where I act out.

Despite all of that, I would never suggest in any serious manner that they should be outlawed. Nor am I asking Dobson to like me or to accept me into his church. I don't give a fuck if he likes me, and I sure in the hell don't want in his church. But this isn't even remotely equivalent to what they want to do to us.

but let's say I were. Even if I wanted to outlaw every religion on the planet, and I actually had a real voice to do that, since when do two wrongs make a right? And they were attacking us long before. They've never wanted us out of the closet.

> You pissed off the people with the power to give you want you want.

There's the crux of the problem. They don't have the power to give me what I want. I already have that right. It's my God-given right (defining God as however you and I may differently define him/it). I hold that truth to be self evident. That's what this country is about, and that's one of the reasons I feel so strongly about this. What they're trying to do to us is so unbelievably wrong. It's no better than the oppression of other minorities in other countries, just because it's less violent. It's un-American in every possible way.

Civil unions... I hear you. But they're not the same to people. They don't have the same meaning to people. To be honest with you, Robert. I don't think the government should recognize marriages one way or the other. It should be a private and church issue that shouldn't be written into the tax code or laws in any real way (at least not how it is now). That would make this whole problem go away. But they do, so they have to do it fairly and unbiased—at least if our country is to stand for anything it's supposed to. Civil unions are "separate but equal."

I don't think in the end we'll lose those 11 states. The Full Faith and Credit clause should strike down those laws all at once, in the end. Provided we still have a reasonable Supreme Court of course. But what those 11 laws do and their promotion is fuel hatred against us. They increase gay bashing. And asking us to keep quiet so they don't have to hit us. That just doesn't seem right.
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ex_prezrober685 on November 5th, 2004 - 01:44 pm
Damn, that makes me want to have sex with you.

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