Oct. 5th, 2008
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So I think I've ruled out the Eos and C-Classes from my car search.

Apparently VW still doesn't have RFID keyfobs so it still relies on archaic keys. Seriously, Volkswagon, why not just have me hand crank the car Model-T style? 2008, guys. PASS.

C-Class, well for starters, the car actually has analog dials with fixed numbers on it to set the cabin temperature. REALLY?! I'm not cooking a turkey, fuck heads. Maybe you've heard of computers? Plus, salespeople at Mercedes dealerships make me stabby. Last time I was in there, I mentioned I was comparing it to a G, and Mr. Buttplugupbum proceeded to scoff at me for even comparing an Infiniti to a Mercedes. Really?! You work for Dodge; you can drop the attitude!

So that's left me with the G35/G37 or the IS 250/350. I really like the IS—mostly the ventilated seats up my ass. Apparently, however, Lexus makes like 3 IS 350s a year. The packages on their site are for show only because none of the dealers actually orders them with the full packages. They pick and choose individual features, which sort of defeats the purpose of having packages. It makes finding the right car stupid annoying. They may have found one, but there's not much room on negotiation which displeases me.

This leaves me back to the G. For whatever reason, Infiniti negotiates. I was able to get a pretty sweet deal on my last G lease, and this time, it's even better. The lease on a 2008 is wicked cheap. I've found both a sedan that has everything except the adaptive front lights and intelligent cruise control (both features I'm sure I can live without), and a coupe that has everything.

I have two questions though:

(1) Am I okay getting a 2008 when the 2009's are coming out a few weeks later with the sweet, new 7-speed tranny? I'm sure they won't deal on the 2009's like they're dealing on the 2008's though (the lease deals are pretty phenom). Like my lease price is less down and $100-150 less a month than the IS for more car.

(2) Do I get the G37 coupe or G35 sedan? Last time, there was no choice. I sat in the coupe and knew it wasn't me. I need to go to the dealership and try it on again I guess. The coupe is hella sexy, but so is the sedan and it doesn't have the annoyance of only 2 doors, low roof, and like no trunk. Would I get sick of this low profile a car?

(3) (Okay, I lied) Do I consider the IS 250? I want my lease price where it is now, and with the G, I can do that. But... can I go from vroom vroom to just vroom? I don't think it would be responsible to pay the premium to get the 350 considering what I can get a G for.

My current lease matures on 10/23, so unless I want to rent a Geo for a month, I probably need to get this all figured out. I'm really a bit surprised at how late the 2009's are this year.

 
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JBjustblink on October 5th, 2008 - 08:21 pm
I was pondering the same question (2008 vs. 2009) when I picked up a Honda Accord last month.

Basically, if you care about resale values, the $2-3k savings on the 2008 will be offset by a lower resale value in 36 months, versus the 2009. However, since you LEASE, the resale value in 36 months (good/bad/ugly/whatever it might be) is Nissan Financial's problem -- not yours to worry about. Also, they are trying to move inventory right now so that's even more beneficial to you.

Thus, I'd lease the 08.

The 2009 G35 sedan became the G37 sedan -- horsepower increases from 306 to 328 hp. otherwise there are few changes.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 5th, 2008 - 10:25 pm
yeah, I think the 2008 G35 Sedan is the clear, smartest choice I could make. I'm just trying to override the silly, emotional response that will come from knowing my car (G35) was replaced by the G37 a few weeks later.
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(no subject) - ex_xtex on October 5th, 2008 - 08:29 pm
The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 5th, 2008 - 10:21 pm
damnit! there goes my snarky comment.
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(no subject) - ex_xtex on October 5th, 2008 - 08:33 pm
The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 5th, 2008 - 10:23 pm
I rarely get on the freeway for longer than 5 minutes. Somehow trying to engage ICC at 20 mph on Santa Monica Blvd would be a waste! :/
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Musiker: Acuramusiker on October 5th, 2008 - 10:15 pm
Advance?
What about a new 2009 Acura TL (SH-AWD)?

Currently, they're only available in with an automatic transmission, but the 2010s will have 6-speed manuals as an option.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 5th, 2008 - 10:24 pm
Re: Advance?
I looked at the TL's, but it said it only had auto up/down windows in the front. Not having auto up/down on the back windows is one of those little things that drove me absofucking CRAZY on my old car. :/
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Musikermusiker on October 5th, 2008 - 10:49 pm
Re: Advance?
Ah, I see... I didn't know that. What an unfortunate oversight. My car doesn't have rear windows, but if I had a sedan, I'd certainly want all the windows to have auto up/down.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 01:54 am
Re: Advance?
it is. i know it sounds silly, but it's one of those things you honestly sit there thinking, "seriously? you couldn't splurge 50 cents for the better relay?"

drives me crazy. it's the little things like that I'm willing to pay extra for, TBH. It's the whole reason you buy acura over honda. If they're not willing to step up, then they are FAIL.
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Fu Fucrazy_trekkie on October 6th, 2008 - 01:20 am
Re: Advance?
I'm actually with Musiker on this one, despite the lack of auto up/down rear windows. The TL's quite a bit of fun to drive, it's got probably one of the best sound-systems and center stack interfaces on the market, fuel economy is quite good for a car with 250+hp, and SH-AWD is pretty much the only thing it's been missing. Yes, it does look like someone smacked it across the face with a stick, but you should go sit in the cockpit of one...it's SUCH a nice place to spend time :P
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 02:01 am
Re: Advance?
I know it sounds silly, but if they really don't think that something as simple and cheap as auto up/down windows in the cockpit aren't important, it makes me wonder what other things that are important to me they just decided to save a few cents on. On my I35 it drove me nuts daily that I had to hold the windows up button to make sure they all closed... it's kind of ridiculous when ur looking at a car in the venue they're trying to play in. These aren't really even features I want to waste time on. This is just something I expect to be standard. If they aren't, we have a huge miss, and I'm not even interested in looking at the rest of the package. It's kind of like a really hot guy who has a 2 inch penis :-P
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 06:46 am
Re: Advance?
...but I really like the styling of the TL otherwise. I just know I would obsess over the window switches daily.
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(no subject) - chucknoblet on October 6th, 2008 - 02:44 pm
Musikermusiker on October 5th, 2008 - 10:48 pm
But in response to the questions:

1.) You'll definitely be paying more the for '09, but if you really want the 7-speed transmission, it could very well be worth it. Are there any other options you'd be gaining/losing from one model year to the other? How to they factor into the equation?

2.) How are the sight lines from inside the coupe vs. the sedan? Coupes look great from the outside, but once you're inside, you can't see anything around you because of the atrocious blind spots. The sedan might be more useful and just plain safer to drive.

3.) I wouldn't get an IS 250. It's not gratifying enough for the price.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 02:03 am
> 2.) How are the sight lines from inside the coupe vs. the sedan? Coupes look great from the outside, but once you're inside, you can't see anything around you because of the atrocious blind spots. The sedan might be more useful and just plain safer to drive.

You hit the nail on the head. I've loved Nissan and Infiniti largely for value and visibility. The coupe, if I can't see around me, I think would get old quickly :/ I need to try it on.
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hUcKiE: Carshuckie on October 6th, 2008 - 12:00 am
I still love my Eos, despite the low tech key fob. :) I mean how can you resist the transformer-like hard top convertible.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 06:48 am
it is true. I especially love that you can open it just one step.

I probably wouldn't care if my current car had a regular key. I'm largely insane when it comes to what I want in a car.
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Davidsebastian86 on October 6th, 2008 - 12:15 am
leasing? i feel like if you get a car with good resale values like the lexus you might as well buy and drop it in a few years.

and where's the dodge reference from? mercedes isn't with chrysler anymore...
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 02:06 am
Actually the good resale value to me is more the reason to lease it... makes for cheap leases. I really don't think gasoline engines have long term viability and I don't want to get stuck with one (especially the IS and G, which are both kind of gas guzzlers).

As for the dodge reference, I really only brought it up because the salestwat was such a pretentious jerk.

I really don't think you should be disparaging your competition on name brand alone when you whored yourself out to Lee Iacocca for years because you couldn't afford to make it on your own. He did his company a huge disservice, at least in my eyes.
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Davidsebastian86 on October 6th, 2008 - 05:39 am
wait...you don't want to get stuck with a gas guzzler but all the cars you're considering sorta chug the stuff like a frat boy....
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 06:29 am
i don't want to get stuck with a gas burning car in general (own). leasing for 2-3 yrs is doable since i drive < 8000 mi a year.
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Davidsebastian86 on October 6th, 2008 - 05:40 am
and either way wouldn't it be medium term? unless the value of these entry prestige cars suddenly plummet within the number of months you'd normally lease a car..
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 06:31 am
the G holds its value so it's relatively cheap to lease @ 3 years.
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Squarely Stable: Chairpipeyellow7 on October 6th, 2008 - 01:47 am
BMW 3 Series?
Audi TT? (Which probably has the same key fob.)
Porsche Boxster/Cayman?
Cadillac CTS?
Saab 9-3?

Just throwing out some ideas here.

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danthmanes on October 6th, 2008 - 06:31 am
(4) Should you consider the BMW 3 Series?

Duhh!

All windows are auto up/down. RFID key fob. Four years paid maintenance. Looks better than the G (IMO). Drives better than everything you're considering (in *everybody's* opinion). And the 328i is a wayyyyy better base model than the IS250. And it gets significantly better fuel economy than the G37 with only a small penalty in performance.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 06:44 am
I considered BMW for 5 seconds. TBH, I'm just really not a fan of the current BMW sedans at all. That whole shark-styling assclown ruined the car for me. The G and IS look way better to me, interior and exterior. The only 3-series that I like is the coupe and those are *ridiculously* priced in comparison.

I drive 15-miles a day in bumper-to-bumper traffic both ways, so no matter what I drive, gas mileage on any of these cars is going to suck. :/
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danthmanes on October 6th, 2008 - 06:58 am
I agree with you on the interior. I love the way I optioned mine out, but the look is merely functional, not in any way special. And, yeah, fuel economy in pure city driving isn't going to be much better in the 3 Series (the difference shows up on the highway). The IS is a really nice looking car. I just can't find any love for the G, though. It just looks highly weird to me. One other idea to throw out there--the Audi A5 Coupe. It's pure sex.
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(no subject) - gromitjc on October 6th, 2008 - 07:57 pm
danthmanes on October 6th, 2008 - 08:00 pm
I got to see lots of Alfas in the flesh when I was on travel in Italy. OMG, they're beautiful!
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(no subject) - gromitjc on October 7th, 2008 - 03:59 pm
danthmanes on October 7th, 2008 - 04:59 pm
Where I was staying, Napoli, they had both Alfa and BMW police cars. I was in awe of all the cars there that I never get to see in the U.S. The funny thing was, I don't think I saw a single car that wasn't scraped or dinged up. It's a strange combination of first-world cars (sometimes very expensive ones) with third-world driving habits. In Southern Italy at least, people seem to drive with a margin for error of about once inch in the cities. Every three-lane road becomes a five- or six-lane road. And crossing over the double yellow to drive on the wrong side of the road is common. There's no concept of right-of-way. If there is a space wide enough for a car, someone will try to take it. It doesn't matter that you were about to fill it. Scraping or bumping another car is not even considered an accident. So, yeah, it was the land of beautiful but damaged cars.
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(no subject) - gromitjc on October 7th, 2008 - 07:58 pm
Daveim_confused on October 6th, 2008 - 04:57 pm
(1) I think now is a great time to get an '08 because you will probably get a way better deal than you'll get on an '09, but... if you're like me, you will probably want the '09 anyway 'cause they always make those little tweaks from model year to model year that make me go, "Damn! I wish I had waited for that!" Do you know if there will be any significant changes between the '08 and '09 model years for the G? I know the IS got some upgrades (their '09 was just released).

(2) I went through this debate, as well... I would love to drive around a coupe, but practically a sedan (or four-door vehicle of some kind...) always ends up seeming more feasible. FWIW, the IS has a low roof/low profile regardless. I'm 5'10" and I hit my head on the top of my IS 250 all the time. :-\

(3) I compared the IS, Acura TL, Acura TSX, BMW 3-series, and Infinite G35 when I was looking and ended up landing on the IS because I thought it had the best value and options for its price (and yes, the ventilated seats are awesome!). You'll pay a lot more for the 350, but can usually get a great deal on a 250. I paid only about $600 over invoice (i.e. about $5,000 under sticker) and that was back in June '07. I do agree with those who say the power is a little lacking in those situations where you want some true acceleration, but it works out totally fine for me in a day-to-day LA driving. All that said, it is a small car, and I totally miss my SUV. Haha.
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The People's Exhibit Adavidology on October 6th, 2008 - 05:24 pm
I think on the IS I'd have to go 2009. They don't seem to be dealing on the 2008's, and the 2009's get some nice visual upgrades: LED taillights (finally!) and turn signals on the side mirrors. Also, supposedly the paddle shifters don't work in "D" on the 2008 and below models. So if price is the same....

The G gets a new 7-speed tranny and the sedan gets the 3.7 engine instead of the 3.5. There aren't supposed to be any real cosmetic changes other than the seat heaters getting knobs instead of low/high switches. Apparently 0 to 60 on the 3.7 is virtually the same as the 3.5 due to the additional weight.

I'd like the 7-speed, but is it really worth the additional cost? Logically, no, so I'm largely combating emotion here. The other (again emotional) thing to deal with is the G35 being replaced by the G37. It's virtually the same car, save for the transmission, so logically, the 2008 G35 makes the most sense if I'm not annoyed my car is (badge-wise) obsolete a few weeks after I get it.

Considering how little I drive, the clear answer seems to be the 2008 G35 sedan because the lease price is really incredible.

For me, I like small cars, so this class is perfect. I like being able to parallel park just about anywhere!
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